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Subject:Re: Interesting Paradox for Windows Permissions issue
Date:Wed, 27 Sep 2017 16:45:27 -0500
From:Mark Bannister <>
On 9/27/2017 3:13 PM, Steven Green wrote:
> if "elevated" doesn't mean "admin", I'm confused.. that link doesn't 
> work for me

Yes, admin = elevated typically but doesn't have to.
> -- 
> Steven Green
> Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, USA
> Collectibles and Memorabilia
> Vintage Lego Sets and Parts
> - and Paradox support, too
> "Mark Bannister"  wrote in message 
> news:59cac711$
> Leslie's suggestion to install paradox outside of the programs seems to
> be a better option (and for all users)  .
> news://
> That fixed elevated permission issues for me.
> On 9/26/2017 3:15 PM, Steven Green wrote:
>> so always "install for all users", if given the option?
>> -- 
>> Steven Green
>> Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, USA
>> Collectibles and Memorabilia
>> Vintage Lego Sets and Parts
>> - and Paradox support, too
>> "Leslie"  wrote in message
>> Hi All,
>> I thought I would document this for future reference.....
>> Although we do not actually use Paradox for Windows, one of our 
>> Clients does
>> for another application.
>> Things have been fine at that site for over 5 years, but they just had 
>> a new
>> machine installed running Windows 10.
>> This machine is a shared workstation used by two part-time workers in 
>> a job
>> share scenario - they have their own Windows Logins.
>> Anyway, our application runs perfectly fine without any problems, but 
>> since
>> installation the Paradox application does not work correctly giving all
>> sorts of random BDE errors. Their IT person was clueless and so they 
>> asked
>> us to have a look.
>> What we found is sort of interesting, one User account was running 
>> Paradox
>> elevated and the other was not. Our application always runs unelevated 
>> (as
>> it should).
>> As you probably guessed the issue is related to permissions, plus poor
>> application design. So the first problem is that the Paradox 
>> Application's
>> PRIV location is not private per user but private to the workstation.
>> Perfectly fine for a one person machine and possibly fine in this case as
>> well were it not for one of them running it elevated.
>> Essentially, when the lck files in the PRIV directory get created, 
>> they get
>> the permissions of the current user. If these files do not get deleted 
>> when
>> Paradox exits, and the other User runs Paradox, they get a BDE error 
>> because
>> they do not have the correct permissions to access the lck files. 
>> Delete the
>> lck files manually and the problem goes away.
>> But then we saw another problem, and this time it was to do with our
>> application running (unelevated) in parallel with Paradox (elevated). The
>> same permissions problem occurs with the default net file - the one in
>> C:\BDE32\NetDir (in our case).
>> Obviously the solution was to stop running Paradox elevated - we knew it
>> worked unelevated because the other account did. But we simply could 
>> not get
>> it working under this particular user account. So we created a new user
>> account and sure enough it ran unelevated there as well. So we 
>> transferred
>> everything over and deleted the original User account.
>> The only thing that was different about the User account that forced 
>> Paradox
>> elevated was that this was the account that originally installed the 
>> Paradox
>> application. But we had no time to investigate any further because as 
>> usual
>> once it is working the Client does not care once the problem goes 
>> away. Time
>> is money etc etc etc
>> So as I pondered about this theoretically in another thread somewhere, we
>> now have real world proof........ Running Paradox for Windows elevated is
>> not good at all when it is in a shared environment, i.e. other BDE or
>> Paradox applications or even User accounts.
>> All effort must be made to ensure that Paradox for Windows runs ***
>> unelevated *** so that you do not run into weird permissions issues 
>> down the
>> track which can bring other applications screaming to a halt. Or to 
>> put it
>> another way, if you are having to run Paradox For Windows elevated, 
>> you have
>> problem which may or may not bite you later on.
>> Leslie.

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